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mardog123


Location: camden, maine

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 7:30 pm    Post subject: Guide: Becoming A Fly Fishing Guide? Reply with quote

hey, im 14 years old live in maine, and really dont want to get stuck later in life with a job that I hate and i thought "hey, why not get paid for something i really enjoy?". A guide was the answer. I'm wondering what the process to becoming a guide is and if there is any important information I should know.
Thanks, Henry
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jeremy


Location: Portland, Maine

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 7:47 pm    Post subject: you got it bro! Reply with quote

you hit the nail right on the head ... read this sentence carefully ..

""hey, why *NOT* get paid for something i really enjoy?". Very Happy



just kidding bro --- i am not a guide but there are many that i am sure could help you out.....
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KodiakCommando


Location: Kodiak, Alaska

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well although I have only guided one year I will tell you what I have learned. First thing you must decide is whether you want to go to a guide school. IMO at least for guiding in alaska these are not a MUST but there is no doubt they will teach you a lot. They can be pretty expensive so it's up to you to decide if you want to do it. If you do do one do it where you will guide, so if you want to guide in say montana take a school in montana and fishing techniques vary in different locations. However in many cases such as mine a solid resume and a good interview may be all you need.

As far as important information goes, first off Guiding is not all fun and games it's long hours of guiding plust boat maintanance, cleaning fish and lots of other chores that are not as fun as the guiding itself. For some it's not a big deal for others it's too much to bear. You have to go through it to figure out if you like it a lot. I"m not saying you won't but many have gone to guide thinking it would be great since they love fishing but find out they don't like it at all. The other thing about guiding is ther is not much money in it so you must do it year round and even then don't expect to make much. Obviously money may not be important to some and for those guiding is great, however if money is important to you or you want to raise a family someday guiding is probably not the best move. For many like myself Guiding is a 5 or 6 year thing during the summer between college or the like.
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jeremy


Location: Portland, Maine

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 7:57 pm    Post subject: actually bro Reply with quote

actually bro .. i am just kidding ... makes sense to do somethin' ya love .. and you live in the right state for it ... we (maine) has a junior guide program that sounds like a good place to start .... check it out ..

http://www.mainecamps.org/JMG/index.htm
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Steelie


Location: Erie, PA

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey mardog im 14 also and have been looking down that road myself. I just do whatever I can to go fishing. I am a mate in lake erie in the summer and do some dock work. I think it'll kinda take its own path but i'll just have to see.

Mike
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Boz


Location: Portland

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike,

I think it is great that you show interest in becoming a guide. It is a great job if you are a patient peroson who loves teaching, a spending time with all sorts of people in challanging circumstances and environs.

First off, realize that lots of folks enjoy fishing. But guiding is not fishing it is hard work, and seldom when folks guide do they actually fish..other than to teach, or demonstrate a concept.

As far as enrolling in a guide school...if you are 14 I'd suggest not going to a school but instead spend every moment possible learning the waters you want to guide on, meeting an fishing with people who know those waters best. Read everything you can get your hands involving your sport and the species you seek. Learn to tie flies that immitate the aquatic insects on your waters, and local baitfish. Knothing will teach you more about the water you want to work on, than getting out on that water everyday in all seasons. Maybe you could get a summer job at a sporting camp just to get a better idea of what a guides life really is...It will show you what guiding really is about, then the decision is up to you.

Kodiak- I'm not busting on guide schools. I just feel that learning the water you intend to guide on should be the first priority. Then maybe learn more about the business... Just my 2 cents.
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KodiakCommando


Location: Kodiak, Alaska

PostPosted: Sun 01/28/07 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kodiak- I'm not busting on guide schools. I just feel that learning the water you intend to guide on should be the first priority. Then maybe learn more about the business... Just my 2 cents


I agree completly boz.
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mardog123


Location: camden, maine

PostPosted: Mon 01/29/07 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alrighty, thanks for the info guys, I'm glad i now know that guding isnt all that i thought it was

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Shaq


Location: Adirondacks

PostPosted: Mon 01/29/07 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boz, i think your point about learning water is very valid but as a 14 year old I think he''d be more likely to get a ride to a guide school and not all over God's creation to get to remote fishing destinations. I suggest the school as a youngster and heading to the spots when he gets his lisence. Especially if they teach boat handling, surviving skills, camping and first aid. Then he'd be ahead of the game when he gets the chance to explore or apply to AK or somewhere. If he was 20, then I'd give him your advise.
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Boz


Location: Portland

PostPosted: Mon 01/29/07 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could a 14 yr old afford a "guideschool"? Kodiak said they are expensive...For the price he could save his cash for a car... And he can drive when he turns 16.
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mardog123


Location: camden, maine

PostPosted: Mon 01/29/07 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im afraid i couldnt afford guide school, the prices range from around 4-7 thousand dollars Sad and i think its best not to get to hopped up on being a guide at this age because who knows if ill really want to do it
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mardog123


Location: camden, maine

PostPosted: Mon 01/29/07 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but of course I'll try to get as much fishing in as i can
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kory_k


Location: New York, NY

PostPosted: Mon 02/09/09 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As most of the guys on this website, I live and breathe fishing (especially fly fishing). I currently sell wood preservatives all over the US and Canada. This is a great job, and I like the freedom and security of my job (plus I get to fish many different places)...but I have always wanted to guide, or at least work in the fishing industry. How hard is it to become a GOOD guide, and how many years of guiding does it take to become sucessful and gain a client base that will support you from year to year? I grew up fishing the salt, and that is still my favorite. But since I moved to Maine 4 years ago I have a found a love of rivers as well. What is your advise on getting into the "other side" of the fly fishing world? If you were in my shoes,what would you do and where would you start?


The above is from a message from saltydog to me that I wanted to tie into this older thread that already addresses many of the questions. This is a slightly different perspective form someone who is a little bit older than 14 and already has a career. This thread has some great information and I will elaborate on it with my perspective from guiding and working in the flyfishing business most of my life.

Boz, Kodiak both talked about the fact that guiding is not fishing and it is hard work. I agree 100%. Being a guide is definitely not fishing, it is taking people fishing and teaching people what you know about fishing and the area where you guide. I have met countless people over the years that want to guide because they see the glamorous side of it and the romantic allure that it has. True, it is an awesome job to have in order to be totally immersed in fishing and to be able to share the amazing experiences with others and to work in amazing environments. It can be highly rewarding on a mental level and can be exhilerating and extremely fun! However, it is a difficult way to make a living. You work long, hard hours, your income is highly seasonal and highly variable, you have no paid vacation, no health insurance, no retirement, no sick days, no bonus and so on. Most guides supplement their income with other jobs as they could never survive on guiding alone. You say of your current job: "This is a great job, and I like the freedom and security of my job (plus I get to fish many different places)..." Why would you want to leave that behind, especially in the current economic environment? You have freedom, security and get to fish many different places. Sounds like a great deal.

Considering all of this, if I were in your shoes and really was serious about guiding because you truly love taking people fishing, teaching and sharing your passion, but not because you want to fish all of the time, the here is what I will say to your questions:

I will try and give a short answer although for me that is about impossible but here goes:
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How hard is it to become a GOOD guide?

You ask about being a "GOOD" guide. Being a good guide involves many things, some that can be learned and some that are ingrained in your personality. You need a thorough knowledge and understanding of the water you want to guide on and the techniques that work there. This won't happen overnight, it takes years. You need to be a very patient person, as you will be tested to your limits on a frequent basis. You need to be a good teacher. You should enjoy helping people. You need to be able to get along with a huge range of personality types as you can't choose who will end up on the water with you. These are just a few of the many things that make a "GOOD" guide.
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how many years of guiding does it take to become sucessful and gain a client base that will support you from year to year?

This depends on many factors including you, the demand for the guides in your area, the economy and so on. It will take several years to build up a good client base, I say at least 3-5 in order to actually provide you with consistent bookings. If there is an opportunity for you to work with an outfitter or other guide that is well established, taking his overflow or helping with bigger groups this is the best way to gain clients and get off to a good start and jump start your client base.
Finally, there are some other things I would determine:
    What is the licensing situation like where you want to guide?
    Are you required to work under or be an outfitter?
    Are you required to have insurance for licensing (even if you aren't, I would definitely have it)?
    Are you required to have 1st aid and CPR (even if you aren't, I wouldn't even consider not getting trained)?
    Do you need a business license?


There are other factors to consider as well. If I were you, and was commited to doing this, I would try to get in as a part time guide helping an outfitter or other guide in your freetime. As time goes on, you can determine if you want to dive completely in and make it your career. Good luck!

I hope this didn't come across as discouraging, I just think it is good to know what it really means to be a fishing guide. I spent many great years of my life (some of the best) guiding full time and will probably guide at least part time for the rest of my life. I loved it and still do and I wouldn't trade the years for anything and if i could do it again i 100% would. I must really like the fishing business since here I am almost 20 years later still working in a flyshop!
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waterwhippa


Location: Upstate, NY

PostPosted: Tue 02/10/09 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good and valid points here. Guiding is NOT fishing...actually the complete polar opposite. Above all else you need a positive attitude and a willingness to serve. All is fine and dandy when your guest is lighting fish up left and right, but when the bite is off and you have a guest who is paying long dollar, this is when you have to shift the focus from the fish to the fishing. You need to be part teacher, entertainer and psychologist. As I do more trips I have begun to see that Guiding is muli-faceted and has many different layers and this is what makes it so challenging, exhillarating and exhausting at the same time. The best thing about guiding on a personal level is that I have learned a TON about myself in the process of taking people fishing and that is very gratifying.
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