Fly Fishing

jaromir · Location: Germany

I was wondering if anyone has experience in fishing with Short Nymph, Czech Nymph etc. and what works and what not? Is it really a method of fishing, which is also effective when the fish don't feel like biting?

MarshallD · Location: Naples, Fl

Just like many guys here on fliesandfins, I've been short nymphing for years....I just didn't know it had a name. With all nymphing, manintaining sensitive controll while presenting subsurface flies in tandem and triple is the challenge. I fornd a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40goQ4aJRiU

jeremy · Location: Portland, Maine

I can't say that I've done it "right." But I like to think that I have done it to some degree. I do know that it involves nymphing with multiple flies and a straight line (very close to you) and from what I have gathered in my own practice based on what people have told/taught me .. In simplest form .. what I do is ..

1. Long leader

2. Multiple flies with heaviest fly at bottom

3. Always fishing very close to me, so as to get and maintain a perfectly vertical dead drift

4. Fly line never touches the water .. Always high sticking

5. I know this is a very simplified version and not sure if its "technically" czech/short nymphing - but its the way that I have interpreted it and learned it and the way I do it -- so maybe its wrong? but it works - big time. It catches A LOT of fish.

6. I was initially interested in it years ago - because of the ways that many told that it is one of the most productive forms of trout fishing out there. Correct me if I am wrong - but the Czechs and the Polish teams often win the world fly fishing championships because they are so good at this technique .. and the technique - amongst guys who compete in fly fishing tournaments or whatever - is pretty much agreed upon to be "deadly."

7. I don't fly fish and never have in these competitive environments - but I was atlantic salmon fishing with a guy who was part of the "USA fly fishing team" or something like that -- and it was very interestesting to hear about the dynamics of that world -- and which countries do well, year after year .. I remember him telling me about "the power" of the czech nymphing technique - and how productive of a method it is.

So - I am curious if "my" czech nymphing method above is close to being "right" - or at least 80% "right"??? - I am sure, like anything else - the fine details really matter big time -- but, I think I am doing at least a rough version of czech/short nymphing? I think so anyway, because it does produce very impressive results - so that is all I have based it on? And, I don't really know anyone or have I met anyone who could or would tell me - "This is EXACTLY how you do it." -- So, "my" interpretation and version -- is somewhat "self taught." Great topic here. When fishing for trout - I like dry flies as much as the next guy - but my personal favorite trout fishing technique is nymphing .. because there is A LOT going on under the water - that is more than meats the eye .. and its one giant puzzle to figure that all out -- and its amazing to see a good nympher pick apart a river .. and it becomes very evident who and who isn't a good nympher when on the water .. a good nympher (like joey, jason-c, etc. - guys out west) outfish a "bad" or "ok" or "decent" nympher consistently .. and I have learned alot from those guys and other guys .. especially the western usa guys really fine tune and get dialed into their nymphing because its such a logical method and guys like kory and dusty and others turn nymphing into a very refined science .. and its definately NOT "just throw on a bobber/indicator and hope for the best" -- not even close .. i know this because i have gone out west and tried that theory and caught 0 fish .. then i meet up with these guys and crush fish .. and its not because of different flies or anything like that usually ... its because of the VERY FINE details of what they were doing vs. what I was doing .. and when I fine tuned my setup and technique to match theirs - bingo! Fish On. Anyway - curious to hear if others "czech nymph" .. and what can "czech" nymphing teach us about any form of nymphing? and, am i at least close to doing it "right"? -- thanks.

Valentin · Location: Vienna

I've tried the same technique from a video in a river where every type of fishing is allowed and have to say it is very effeicient. Trying it in Austria is not possible due to the fact that you can only fish with one fly. Jaromir is very experienced on this technique and he has also his website if I am not mistaken.

But one thing is really good for sure is the Czech nymph itself, I always caught fish with it

jaromir · Location: Germany

Great! Jeremy, you are the Master of All Classes for Short Nymph I suppose, and I am glad about it. You are right if you say this method is almost very effective. Even salmonids take 90% of their nourishment from the water and 10% from the water surface!

It's general knowledge that not only salmon and graylings, but also whitefish like orfe and such, don't despise the rising or crawling nymph.

Du the fact I wanted to check the interest in Short Nymph in the States I posted my article in forum. The flyfishermen in Europe maintain that in America no one would catch the fish using the short nymph. The other reason is, I also wanted to discuss about and to hear experiences of some other guys.

There is no must to supply the fishing with the dry fly by nymphing, but what about if the fish don´t rise? So, I have to catch the fish where his nourishment comes from.

Many think that “Czech nymph” is a specific type of nymph. This is true. The Czech nymph, affectionately known as bobeš (Bobesh), is essentially a type of nymph. A part of Czech Nymphing is the use of the nymph. It is a Way of Fishing.

The Czech Nymph itself has experienced a rapid development - the state of the art is nymphing with micronymphs. If we look closer at the sheer inexhaustible possibilities of this fishing method, we can rather talk about the

„Czech Technique“.

All in all I am a flyfisherman coming from Czech but I always say: there is just only one method to catch the fish – a way how to get the biggest fish on the hook! Jerry (jaromir)

jeremy · Location: Portland, Maine

"All in all I am a flyfisherman coming from Czech but I always say: there is just only one method to catch the fish – a way how to get the biggest fish on the hook! Jerry (jaromir)"

Hey Jerry -- Me and You would make great fishing partners:) I subscribe to that theory as well. Maybe that's why when someone told me a long time ago, "Hey Those Czechs REALLY know how to catch trout and their Czech nymphing technique is deadly .. so much so, its outlawed in some places." .. I gotta be honest, it peaked my interest Very Happy

So, I am nothing more than a hack job -- who tried to figure out a method of fishing that produced the best results -- and on rivers where it wasn't outlawed it certainly produced some SERIOUSLY IMPRESSIVE results Very Happy

- But, I still think that if you (being a czech yourelf) saw me do it, I'd guess that I am only doing it MAYBE 70% effectively .. and I'd imagine that with some good tips and feedback who REALLY knows the CZECH NYMPHING TECHNIQUE .. i could really dial into it .. but, then if I did that and got 100% effective at it, I wonder if it wouldn't put me at an unfair advantage and I would feel bad for the fish? ..... no, i don't think so because ...

""All in all I am a flyfisherman coming from Czech but I always say: there is just only one method to catch the fish – a way how to get the biggest fish on the hook!"

WELCOME to fliesandfins.com! Feel free to give us some CZECH nymphing technique tips .. don't know that there are any other CZECH "crew members" ... welcome aboard!!

Marcel_Karssies · Location: Enschede - The Netherlands

When I first saw this post that a guy called Jaromir is asking about Czech nymphing my first impression was somebody was trying to pull a joke.
Working for a company with a subsidiary in Moravia that name souded familiar to me.

One of the guys from my local flyfishing club has been on some
trainingcourses under the watchfull eye of I think Jiri Klima.
When Czech nymphing became popular it turned into a kind of hype and to be honest I did not like the way it was advertised back home.

Still I fish the nymph most of the time and when I was on a short trip
to Germany with our trained Czech nympher whom I jokingly called "The Dredger" I had a go at this type of fishing.
So I was handed over a 10ft #2 rod with a team of nymphs and a strike indicator that consisted of a short stretch of spiralled green nylon.

I was standing at a pool where I had fished with my setup consisting of a short rod, a strike indicator and one nymph and had caught a fish or two.
When I used the long rod with the nymphs drifting on a tout line with the strike indicator hanging vertical in the air I could not believe how accurate strikes could be detected.
With my method I missed most of the signs of taking fish, this way I could see everything.

So I turned from a skeptic to a believer.
you should try it once and see what happens.
Allthough it is very effective it will not be a method I will use exclusively
on a river like our local dredger does.
I also am fond of tossing streamers in the river and now and then I even might tie on a dry fly Very Happy

jaromir · Location: Germany

At first I would like to please you all here being patient with my English. My German is pretty better.

So I never would say the “Czech Nymphing” is exceptionally the only ONE METHOD to catch salmonids. Sometimes I go fishing with a dry or a wet fly or with streamers and I am happy getting a fish on my hook. Sometimes I go home with nothing. The German say “I am a Taylor”. Don´t worry I am not a dredger.

Otherwise the fishermen in Czech and in France developed the method and they are now successful by using micronymphs. On the other hand I hate it to handle leaders with a length of 6 Meters and I never use the bite indicator. This method remembers me then more of the carp fishing with a float.

All in all let us talk about Short Nymphing. Non-event under the sun. There are much better experts then me, like Oliver Edwards or a next Englishman called Kite.

BUT: To catch a fish while it is actively searching for food is always possible and easy done. The right choice of fly and the right technique ensure that you don't go home empty.

So, we want to concentrate on the question, how to catch a passive fish. It is the skill, when we catch a fish with the right technique even if we cannot see where it is or if it doesn't feel like feeding. If we chose the right equipment, success is pre-programmed.

It can also happen, that whilst wading we suddenly find a place ideal for Short Nymphing. So why not take up camp and try something new?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv_M3AP5FD0

cizekj · Location: Czech republic

nicko · Posted: Wed 02/25/09 8:07 am Post subject:

Hi, I love to fish a nymph. I started with the classic hopper dropper when it was the best trick in Montana in 1995. Since then I have tried different teqnics with single a nd multiple flies. Then about 3 years ago I met a few fisherman from the Italian National fly fishing team that introduced me to this tipe of fishing. The truth is that it is s fish catching technique. It is not about casting far but it is more for catching the fish that you never thoght could be so close to your feet. Usually the distance is 2 times the lenght of the rod, that is why the rods are so long ( 10 ft or 10 1/2 ft, 5-7wt). There is a lot of high sticking involved, and a lot of tungsten nymphs. The striks are visible to a trained eye, that you can train by adopting such techniques. Otherwise if water is dirty or fish hidding you can use the part of the leader that enters the water as a trike indicator (sometimes profesionals will use a section of colored nylon, 5-6 inces tied in their leader). The fishing is, casting upstream. a small mend to let the flies sink, rasing the rod as the flies pass in front if you. The tip of the rod should alwaise be downstream of the flies creating a small belly to the nymps. There should be the right amount of tension, the flies should not drag unless you want them to. depending on the water and position of the trout you can use the heviest flies at the top or at the bottom in which case the top flies are tied to arms of tippet. These are really only the very bases of the Czech fishing, it is in full evolution and new variations are being adopted as more people do it. One of the latesr ones I herd is about not using a fly line at all but just nylon to avoid as much drag as possible. And the crasyest thing is that the people that are using this say that it casts very well. ?????? why do we have lines then? Best regards, Nicko