Fly Fishing - Video Cameras For Fly Fishing

brooktroutbully

Hello,
I am looking for recommendations for a point and shoot camera that takes a nice photo and also has good video quality. I currently have an Olympus sw720. Not pleased with it at the moment. The picture and video quality is poor and now the audio is broken and in cold weather it turns on/off bye its self. On a positive note, it is very durable and water proof.

What are people using these days to capture pics/video when fishing? I would like to have a water proof camera but would be satisfied buying a water proof housing for it if it meant quality pictures/video. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I know Jeremy has a lot of knowledge on the subject and I’m interested to here from others as well! Thanks

jeremy · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Digital Cameras

Great topic. And, it has been covered before. However, with every passing day technology changes. Hence, the myriad of options available change. It is sometimes difficult to weed through the marketing hype of digital video/photo technology and find the perfect device for ones needs. So, rather than start spewing off makes and models of cameras let me take a different approach. Let me list, what I would consider to be the very absolute requirements that I look for and need when choosing a camera of any kind. Here is an attempt at a Simple Solution, to help people make wise choices in regards to what they need based on what they want to do and what is available as of Dec 1, 2008.

REQUIREMENTS AND/OR FEATURES

1. STILL PHOTOS - I don't think its possible to buy a digital camera today that doesn't take good pictures from a resolution perspective. Most of the mega pixel stuff simply doesn't matter much to me. I never print pictures but on rare occasions and if I need to they come out great. Most of my still photos are for use on websites, forums or sending emails .. so to be honest .. I am typically downgrading the resolution! The last thing I need is more freaking mega pixels Very Happy

. Bottom line here. Unless you are a national geographic photgrapher, I think you are find with getting a camera that takes 5 megapixels or better. Set the camera on the highest resolution possible. Leave it there. And you will be fine.

2. POINT AND SHOOT VIDEO - Ok, so you want a camera that does both stills and video. You don't want to spend alot of money. You don't want to carry around a big bulky thing. But, you DO want to make nice fly fishing videos. So you really want to be able to "do it all" with 1 point and shoot camera. Possible, definately possible. Especially as the video technology on point and shoot cameras gets more and more impressive. Bigger is not necessarily better. After all, remembr the computers of 10 years ago. They were big and bulky desktops. Now, most PDA's (blackberry's etc..) have equal if not better processing power than those computers. So, this is not to say that you are going to be seeing ESPN camera men weilding SONY CYBERSHOTS .. but, ya never know. Heck who knows, in 20 years a video camera might be the size of a penny. Very possible. So here is what I look for, from a video perspective, from a point and shoot camera

- Minimum of 640x480 video size
- Ideally, 1280 x 720 or 1440 x 1080
- Ideally be able to record wide screen 16:9 aspect ratio
- Small size, otherwise you won't want to bring it and use it
- Waterproof - Nice but not manadatory that it be built in. No problem with having to buy housing accessory. I guess, ideally .. it would be built in.
- Format of MPEG or AVI .. (keep in mind if you are going to use windows movie maker editing it will not support .mov format .. but you could get a video editing software for under $100 bucks that would eliminate that problem)
- Zoom capability while shooting
- Rechargable Lithium ION battery
- Plenty of record space and able to record to memory stick. That way, the amount of time I can record is only relational to the size of my memory stick .. and the prices of memory sticks have come WAY down.

So, I have a few different cameras for different purposes. But, to be honest .. I am in the market for a new point and shoot camera that does both video and photos. Traditionally, I have always used SONY Cybershots. For a number of reasons, I am looking for another option. So, let's all find what is GOOD for us as fly fisherman .. taking into consideration the points above and realizing that its tough to find 1 device that has all the requirements. Usually it becomes a matter of choosing a device based on what what features matter most and willing to sacrifice on what features it doesn't have. So, to get the ball rolling. I am VERY interested in this. Are you kidding me! Look at the price! Super small and takes HD video in widescreen format too. Below is the picture of this tempting little unit .. and the link to the product on Best Buy where you can see all the features. Should I (we) go with this??? For $169 it looks pretty tempting ... and meets alot of very important requirement that I listed above. So, brooktroutbully ... whatever we come up with for you .. I will get too!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8775943&type=product&id=1204332008907

jeremy · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: anyone else

Anyone else... feel free to chime in with what they use, how they like it or don't like it .. what things they look for and what they are considering getting or would like to get for their next video camera that "does it all" for "cheap" .. what do others think of this "new" model I am thinking about getting?

AlexisMT555 · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject:

For a fly fishing purpose, THE must to have option for me is to be waterproof.
I do use pentax optio since 3 years and for the purpose pics/video they really do the job. I had a pentax WPI (fisrt draft of Pentax on waterproof) for 3 years intensiv use in salt but now it's dead. I've found this camera very resistant on all.
I wasn't satisfied with the video feature of it only providing 340X280 pixel.
So I recently bough one of the last they made the pentax optio W60 a 10 megapixel a lot more than really needed as notified Jeremy.
A bit expensiv depending your budget. Between 200$ to 250 $
This one features 5 or 6 video mode, I only use the two last ones 640*480 30 fps and 1280*720 15fps (16:9) wich is less smooth on the image.
I have watch a lot of different camera description on internet and it was hard to find a camera having all in one a good mix between :
waterproof/image quality/video quality. I have hesitated a lot between models as the one Jeremy showned and others like the Pentax or Olympus but I've been too afraid to kill a none waterproof camera in some weeks. I guess that if I could had afford it I would have bought both kind.
I do not personally want to deal with the waterproof feature, I'm fond of taking underwater pics/video plus as there's no need to buy a waterproof box, this camera easily fits into shirt/pant/short pocket without adding any weight and you can fall into the water even if it wasn't intended.
There are also a lot of gadgets for me as smile capture and other picture mode.
A good thing regarding the previous model of this brand is the underwater video mode wich give really a nicest color to the water.
A nice plus regarding some of the olympus for me it that you can use video mode as long as you have free memorie on your memorie stick.
First bad point is that these camera are kinda slow to take pics and be turned on. This can be slightly aranged by disabling some features like smile capture and the type of picture mode you had selected.
Second bad point is that video are encoded in .Mov wich is quicktime and not very compatible with integrated movie software.
I'm not a computer geek and have found a freeware name : Any Video Converter that is really really easy to use. Select video you want to recode (as many as you want) choose the new format windows media player for example and clic proceed, it's done.
here's a pic of the camera

jeremy · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: ok

alexis -- great points. what do you mean by "video is less smooth">>? ... at 1280x720 16:9 (widescreen) .. is this where its "less smooth" what do you mean? Your issue of having the camera record to .mov is not an issue anymore if you buy a video editing software program that supports .mov inputting (adobe premier elements will do this $80 bucks for the software) .. The conversion process you are talking about is fine . but very labor intensive to have to do very each and every video clip .. and its best to have to do AS LITTLE conversion as possible .. in general, when converting from one format to another .. we lose quality. Just so people know .. here is the deal with FORMATS -- basically NOBODY owns .MPEG and .AVI (these are STANDARDS) .. .wmv is owned my microsoft, .mov is owned by apple .. I like to get a camera that records to MPEG or AVI if possible. Why? because its versatile. It's a standard and nobody owns it. So, I am not "locked in" to some proprietary format ... But, if other FEATURES outway my desire for MPEG and AVI .. i could be convinced to record to .mov .. but, it would make me feel uneasy.

So - as we are seeing here .. it becomes a game of choices. And this is why I have always gone with SONY CYBERSHOTS .. i keep coming back to them because of the MPEG format. Where so many other cameras (actually almost all of them) tend to record to .mov ... Anyway. Look at this one ... of course, now the price goes up .. BUT, we get "waterproof to 5 feet" .. but, I can't tell what FORMAT it records to and its not really clear as to the size of the resolution, so i am left to guess its 640x480 and 16:9 (widescreen) is probably NOT an option ... Also, i read the reviews on the first one i posted .. and it seems that the "High Definition" doesn't really look all that good .. which negates my interest in that model, entirely. Anyway .. here is picture and link (not crazy about the blue, but available in silver too) ..

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8362853&type=product&id=1177717628812

rhodyflyguy · Newbie Joined: Mar 17, 2007 Posts: 20

Jeremy-
I had the oppurtunity to use that Xacti quite a bit this fall, not for fishing videos, but for sailing. However, the environment we were using the camera in was very similar to fly fishing in rhode island- running around fast in small boats in choppy and occasionally rainy conditions where the camera gets dropped and is constantly taking spray. We used it a lot, and never had on problem with it. I'm seriously tempted to pick one up, that price is awesome.

jeremy · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Rhody

Rhody -- did you get a chance to see any of the content when it was on the computer? If so, I wonder how it looked? I wish we could find out exactly what the HIGHEST resolution and BEST quality its capable of ... from what I can gather from the specs. .. it looks like 640x480 .. which isn't bad for point and shoot stuff .. and, to date, has been "the best" available for the most part .. now, it seems like the "point and shoot" style cameras such as this and others .. are moving towards even higher resolutions and such as the other model and alexis' model where 1280 x 720 is better than 640x480 .... So, as we all agree .. its tough to find 1 camera, for cheap, that does "it all" .. but, i just wonder what makes sense to sacrifice? you see where i am going? let's say you get this camera .. shoot some killer footage and its "great" or "good enough" quality .. well, technology is moving SOOOOOO fast .. and how long will it be before you are thinking "man, i wish i had a better quality version of this footage .. so it looks better on youtube.com, HD tv, etc...) ... you see where I am going?? so, did you see the content on the computer .. was the camera set to "the highest resoluton" possible and if so, how did it look??????

spector82 · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:51 am Post subject:

I recently purchased the waterproof Pentax Optio W-60 camera this fall, this thing is tiny, fits in a small pocket in my fly vest, takes beautiful 10 mp pix as well as videos and underwater videos...very happy with this camera, and I am still learning its features, which are many.

Jeremy is a much more experienced videographer than myself and seems to be on top of the latest technology out there, but this one gives good bang for the buck and has most of the features on his list of "wants" in a camera.

joey · Newbie Joined: May 31, 2004 Posts: 118 Location: Colorado

I have been rolling with the sony cybershots for quite awhile and think they are a good point and shoot. My buddy jason has the underwater olympus and it takes terrible video....it might just be his setting. But it is way to blurry to even use. I also carry around a sony HDD camera if I am feeling real ambitious and that takes good content and has a great zoom....I believe that as long as you are not shaky with the camera what ever you are shooting will come out decent...easier said then done.

jeremy · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Ok

Joey - The cybershot is good. but, we max out at 640x480 - even though it has the vgx mode which at 640x480 provides BETTER video than most point and shoots and handles light very nicely and records in MPEG format and that MPEG format is a STANDARD and integrates into any video editing software .. That is why , to date .. and over the last many years .. this is what i keep reverting to.

Now - for my needs the issue becomse .. well, what if i want BETTER than point and shoot and the sony cybershot? which led us to the SONY hard drive camera ... 30 gigs of space, no tape, crazy zoom features etc.. BUT, big and bulky and to be honest at the end of the day (outside of being able to shoot in widescreen) .. the video quality is EXACTLY the same as the small sony cybershot ... and its pricy. here is the camera joey is talking about .. i have it too .. so, the way that I have been going and joey too for the last 2 years is we carry 2 cameras .... the sony cybershot AND the sony hard drive camera.

SO WHAT's THE PROBLEM: carrying 2 cameras stinks, ya never really want to pull out the big hard drive camera its just a pain in the but .. so you tend to defaul to the smaller sony cybershot ... but, if you want to zoom and get a shot of your friend hooked up across the river ya simply can't do it with small point and shoot sony cybershot and ya definatley can not submerge the big hard drive camera ... So, the whole goal of this (for me anyway) .. is to find a NEW point and shoot camera that "does it all" (or as close to it as possible) ... so that I don't have to carry 2 cameras ... and I am also looking for BETTER quality than BOTH of these 2 cameras offer ...

Here is the camera

here is the link to price and specs
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8668998&st=&type=product&cp=1&id=1196470791061

jeremy · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Got it

SPECTOR - you have the same camera as alexismt55 --- now, i just figured out the DOWNSIDE of that .. the good points are waterproof, small, takes video at 640x480 and 1280x720 (which is the feature we are most interested in, in terms of getting BETTER quality than 640x480 ... BUT, i just realized the "catch" .. here it is:

Alexis even says that when the video is set to 1280x720 it doesn't look as good .. why would that be? it should, right? .. wrong ... YES the "resolution" in terms of dimensions is bigger than 640x480 .. BUT here's the "catch" THE FRAME RATE DROPS from 30fps (frames per second) to 15fps (frames per second) .. So, once again .. we come back to the spot .. where "darn!" ... this camera seemed to have "It all" .. and has most of it .. but, really "lacks it all" .. so, is this better than the SONY CYBERSHOT? depends on what format it records to is it a standard MPEG (oh that's right, its not .. its .mov which alexis already noted) .. and is the video at 640x480 better or worse than the SONY CYBERSHOT .. probably not as good (not sure) but SONY has a VGX mode which takes even better quality video at 640x480 than the "standard" 640x480 mode .. and boz has this camera too .. i just looked at the content .. and to be honest .. its ability to handle light is marginal at best .... granted it does have the underwater feature .. but, if that comes at the cost of having to sacrifice quality of video .. than, it's a tough sell .... so, we are back to the beginning ... and hence the dilema .. of finding THE PERFECT fly fishing video camera that is small, not too expensive and has "all" the feautres (within reason)

BOTTOM LINE - SO ..What we are looking for is. In order of CRITICAL requirement

1. shoots best quality 640x480 in mpeg or avi at 30fps or IDEALLY 1280x720 at 30fps .. and minimum 5 megapixel still shots (but mostly interested in video features)

2. Small. Quick start up. Lithium Battery.

3. underwater capable (but not totally necessary if a housing is available .. definately willing to sacrifice on this if #1 and #2 above are met

4. Affordable

Tough to find this .... and this is why I still keep choosing the SONY CYBERSHOT with housing .. it gets me as close to all of these features as possible compared to other options .. but, I AM LOOKING for something that beats the CYBERSHOT .. any ideas? Ps.. here is the camera and notice the specs and the video QVX at 640 (meaning higher quality video at 640x480) and in mpeg format. and the price is 179.00

Here is llink to specs and features
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8696173&type=product&id=1198888712208

rhodyflyguy · Newbie Joined: Mar 17, 2007 Posts: 20

The quality of video on the Xacti is about the same as a cybershot. I'm not sure we had it set.

jeremy · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: rhody

rhody - "I'm not sure we had it set." ... totally, understandable .. but that would be critical to know .. for this excercise.

PS. Just for the record, this is not an excercise in "beating up" peoples camera choices .. its simply an excercise in helping people to understand (including myself) what's available, what matters and being able to cut through all of the marketing hype (which is very tought to do .. technology companies hire some pretty smart marketers to say things in a very certain way without having to give specifics ... but those specifics are critically important) ... As we can all see here .. so far, NOBODY (including me) has "THE PERFECT" fly fishing camera. Maybe its out there? Or maybe it is still as it has always been .. choosing a camera based on your specific needs, what you personally are and are not willing to sacrifice .. and so "THE PERFECT" fly fishing camera .. may infact be relational to each person ... But, for those like me and brooktroutbully who are in the market for a NEW camera ... it would be cool if we talk all of our input and findings are research and all kind of agree that as of TODAYs technology and options and wish-list requirements .. the (fill in the blank) camera is A GOOD CHOICE. I like this stuff .. and I know that there is a ton of confusion about cameras and video and resolutions and features etc.... so, this just an excercise in finding "the simple solution" ...

PS .. Brooktroutbully, I bet you are like, "My god ... I simply wanted a recommendation on a camera" ... Very Happy

.. we are getting there, trust me .. so, anyone else got any insight or options or ideas to help us "get there" ..

brooktroutbully · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject:

Jeremy,
I’m glad you took it to a new level. I am a rookie when it comes to cameras. Before reading these posts I knew nothing more than how many mega pixels I wanted haha. Now I have an entire check list of features I am looking for! Thanks a lot, Keep it coming guys! I hope we can narrow this down to a few. As far as I can tell im not the only one interested in a new camera. Thanks for all the input.
BTB

jeremy · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: FLIP

Now,

Leaning towards this. Good price. Small. 3 second start up time. Expandable memory. charges via USB (that's nice). Fast lens for GREAT low light conditions (often the case when fishing). 16:9 widescreen, HD 720p (1280 x 720) at 30 frames per second. Very appealing. SMALL trapanarent housing availabel for cheap.

THE FLIP MINO-HD

Manufacturer website/FEATURES/SPECS - (sold at best buy and many retailers too) http://www.theflip.com/products_flip_mino.shtml#scene=sceneMain

I really like this .... You guys?

AlexisMT555 · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:41 am Post subject:

Wow this post have come a long way and might not end as long as we have technology running...
Anyway Jeremy is right the problem with HD and pentax W60 is that you come down to 15 frame per second wich give the less "smooth" aspect.
This new model you found Jeremy seems to be excellent, plus good looking...but the underwater case come only with the Flip Ultra model, and not compatible with other model (flip video and mino) as shown on there website...I wonder how a soft transparent housing would affect the manipulation + it seems that there is no picture features on those right ?

So at this point it seems hard to get a cheap "do it all" for a fly fishing purpose that meet all requirement we would like to have
-Waterproof, more for a convenient and security aspect
-Good picture in low or high lights
- HD video

jeremy · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: alexis

alexis -- awesome points. so, the DOWNSIDES of this camera are:

1. no undewater housing for the model we want (that is hard to believe that they would have it for all other models but this .. i am going to check into that too)

2. correct - no pictures. but if the video quality was that good .. i could negate the need for taking still photos. i like video. and video is really nothing more than alot of still photos taken really fast Very Happy

3. usb recharge - is nice and bad .. what if i am on a fishing trip and don't have my laptop with me??? can't charge it. that's bad. do the make some sort of converter that plugs into wall or cigarette liter and then converts to a usb hub?? maybe?, probably, but now we are adding complexity. would be nice to be able to charge via AC power and not JUST usb.

BOTTOM LINE: ... I love this option for the video and its just what i want in terms of video .. but the lack of photo capabilities, lack of underwater casing and lack of other options than just USB recharge are definately downsides.

LET'S KEEP LOOKING. SO FAR ... I AM AT EXACTLY WHERE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN .. unable to find the "perfect" fly fishing camera.

Shaq · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:

All my video has been taken on the Pentax Optio and I like it except for the zoom features. I am lured by the new HDD cameras and They are really dropping in price. I like the size of the Optio and the underwater stuff. The manual and macro stuff is pretty good for taking "Flytying" footage. The one drawback I have found on the Optio is the microphone, the audio sucks and if you zoom in while filming the zoom lens noise is recorded in a really annoying sound. My buddies have the Olympus and I have edited that footage for them and in my opinion, the Pentax is better quality and the Olympus is better still photos.

In short, I really like the Optio and am rerally happy with it but want to start lookign at the next level. Also, for editing programs, Adobe Premier is good but the Pinnacle software seems to be a bit more user friendly.

chromefinder · Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:34 am Post subject:

very cool discussion!

I too am on the "qwest" for the perfect fishing imaging solution. Most every solution I have used to date has some trade offs.

I really want High Def video support in a small pocketable form factor plus image stabilization that works. Two non waterproof digi cam models I am considering just for HD resolution video support (1280 x 720 pixels, 16:9 format, at 30 fps) are the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ5 and Canon TX1. Hopefully with the explosion of HD everything we will see some products that mature to usable status and continued falling prices.

a couple other thoughts:

There are several freeware programs that converts .MOV to .AVI (and other formats).

The program I use is called MP4Cam2AVI and is available here: http://mp4cam2avi.sourceforge.net/

MP4Cam2AVI easily coverts .MOV video files created with my Pentax Optio W30 to .AVI files for use with Window Movie Maker. The great thing about this freeware program is that you can set it to not re-encode the video. It merely puts the same video in a different container. Since this does not actually re-encode it does not diminish the video or audio quality and is very fast, also supports batch file conversions.

I do like my current Pentax Optio W30 but I am a bit disappointed in a few things:

Video Quality in the 640x480 30fps video mode is not as good as my much older Pentax Optio 43WR model that died after 3 years of hard use.

Low light performance is average at best.

Like Shaq reported, any zooming in movie mode creates horrible audio, but i think this is the case on many P&S digi cams that allow zooming in movie mode.

I have trouble getting reliable results when shooting stills. I get many blurry images unless I use a tripod. I don't seem to have as many problems getting reliable results with my Canon A series cameras used without a tripod.

I'd like to see a wider angle & longer lens. I see that the newer Pentax Optio 60 has the wider longer lens now.

I also hate the fact that most digital cameras today use proprietary battery designs. I like to be able to use regular AA or AAA batteries that are available just about everywhere (even in the Altmar NY gas station / quickie mart)

jeremy · Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: yup

Chromefinder - YOU NAILED IT.

The bottom line is this. As of today, there is NO "perfect fly fishing camera" (point and shoot, cheap, underwater, HD video, 5mp stills) .. So, for the short term, I am sticking with what I have .. The SONY CYBERSHOT with underwater housing (although they just discontinued the "sports pak" housing that I have for the DSC W model series camera) and are only offering the "sports pak" ($69) for the more expense DSC T series and models .. see here http://www.sonystyle.com and click on accessories and then "marine packs" .. be ware that SONY markets a MARINE CASING that is for diving and not necessary for fishing applications (hence the 200+ dollar price) .. for fishing i have used what they refer to as the "sports pak" but like i said they just discontinued the sports pack for the DSC W series/models ... so, if you wanted to spend a little more money .. i would recommend the DSC T series sony cybershot with the sportspack housing .. would definately be a nice unit .. you would be looking at 400 bucks fro the T seriies camera and 70 bucks for the case and 20 bucks (about) for the extra size 1 GIG SONY PRO DUO memory stick .. so TOTAL cost when said and done would be around 500 bucks. see this link for pic of camera sports pak .. then click on compatability to see the models that you could use with this housing. (see the cheaper model option DSC W series that i mention below for where to get a gig stick for only 12 bucks)
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?&productId=8198552921665498584&tab=Features

IF YOU WANTED CHEAPER: You could go for the 209 dollar unit DSC W 30 http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8198552921665327460 that will STILL give you JUST AS GOOD QUALITY video with mpeg MPEG VX Fine(640x480 at 30fps) .. and 8.1 mega pixxels .. you would then need a water case housing .. which you could seriously just go with something like this only 30 bucks .. and made for the w30 series)
[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21Db60qDn6L._SL500_AA280[/img]
here is a link to buy that case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001GDQ806/

Now your total cost would be - 200 for camera - 30 for case and about 12 bucks for a 1 gig SONY PRO DUO memory stick - (here is the link to that memory stick -
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memory-Stick-Pro-SDMSPD-1024-A11/dp/B0006TI9WG

TOTAL PRICE = About 250 bucks ..

I would get this setup if i did not have a camera today. Since I already do have it, I am going to wait for HD video options to become available on point and shoot and for the time being stick with my setup. Hope this helps.

PS .. word on the street is that HD is going to be available in the next release of the SANYO Xacti UNDERWATER VERSION seen in picture below, is going to release its NEXT version with HD video 720p 60fps! .. They already have the SANY Xacti HD version its just not underwater capable .. so its really just a simple step for them to include the HD technology into the Xacti undewater version .. when that happends .. THIS is what i will be getting ..

JeffS · Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject:

Hi
New to this forum. I bought a Sony HD avchd format camear for using on my boat and now am faced with trying to edit the files into movies. It appears Pinnacle Studio 12 doesn't recognize the sony files....After some research it appears you need Sony Vegas to work on sony files...Hey I am just a guide not a tech wizard....I wish I would of researched more before I bought!