Posted: Mon 02/16/09 3:04 pm Post subject: 2 Handed Fly Rods For Salt
Anybody have any comments on 2 Handed Rods I can use in salt water. Looking for one to take to PCB and cast off jetties/beach. I am not sure if I want just an overhead rod or do I need an actual spey type rod. I have not used either and have had trouble finding out info on the overhead rods available. Any help is appreciated!
Posted: Mon 02/16/09 7:55 pm Post subject: 2-hand in Salt
I can pass on a couple of suggestions that you could look at. No1: CND makes two rods, both 11' 3", one a9/10 wt and the other an 11/12 wt. The 9/10 works very well with RIO 11wt OUTBOUND or Airflo 11wt 40+ Beach Line. The 11/12 will require one or two weights heavier . TFO has a 2 hand Overhead rod known as the 12 - 12 rod. It is 12' in length and handles a 12wt lines (Not spey line wts) TFO also has the 7 or 8 wt TiCrX (one hand rod) and a 2 piece adapter that makes that rod 11' 3", 2 hander. That rod, as a two handed, will handle about the same lines as the 9/10 CND rod. Before you go investing too much $$$ find a shop and try one out. Where abouts are you located..general area is OK. I am in Up-State NY but fish Cape Cod.
Posted: Mon 02/16/09 8:35 pm Post subject: Lines for Two Handed Rods For Saltwater
Good questions and a common topic in the fly fishing world these days. You say that
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not sure if I want just an overhead rod or do I need an actual spey type rod
I would recommend an overhead rod. Why? Because overhead casting is more practical in most situations that you encounter in the surf and that is what most guys use two handers for. Sure, you can make spey casts and there are applications for spey casts in the saltwater, but overhead casting is much more applicable.
What is the difference between a spey rod and an overhead rod? Frequently all two handed rods are called "spey rods", and some may or may not be but for our purposes it doesn't matter (there are some now that are specifically designed for and called surf rods). The name doesn't really matter. What matters is the length. Typically a rod that works well overhead is shorter (11'-12') while a rod that makes spey casts well is typically longer (13'-15'+). This doesn't mean you can't make spey casts with a short rod or you can't make overhead casts with a long rod it is just what works best. The rods that Readel mentions are shorter rods and they are good options.
Another thing that is very important to understand that also relates to this that Readel mentions is lines. The reason is that the line that works best for overhead casting is very different than the line that works best for spey casting. For overhead casting, a long head shooting head type line (such as the RIO Outbound or Airflo Beach line that Readel mentions or the scientific anglers streamer express) is the best type of line. And like he said, you need to go up at least 1 line weight usually 2 to load it properly. A conventional spey line does not cast overhead nearly as well because that is not what it is really designed for.
RIO has some great information about this on their website with diagrams explaining the difference between overhead and spey and why each line works. They also have a very comprehensive chart that lists the best line for a huge range of manufacturers rods.
Thanks for the tips. I alive in KY. and trout fish here. We have a place in Fl. and liketo fish there, but get worn out with my 9' / 9wt. on the jetties. I want a rod I can bang out for hours and also walk the beach with, but can get distance and height to get over surf. Will use the 9 wt. from the kayak in the backwaters.
Posted: Mon 02/16/09 9:43 pm Post subject: 2alarmfly
New Username but I was original reply poster (Readel) Definitely agree that what you are looking for is a 2 hand overhead casting fly rod, not a 2 hand spey casting fly rod. Spey casting depends on flowing water and water loading the rod where overhead casting is just what it says, overhead casting using two hands. There are some video's about that show proper 2 hand overhead casting moves and if you could find someone in your neck of the woods that does it then I would strongly suggest you meet up and see how it is done and then practice. I am quickly approaching my mid seventies and I can fish all day, 2 hand casting. One handed, my shoulder is good for several hours the first day but not much for the next couple of days. In addition to the ease of casting you get more distance and therfore have the fly in the water for longer time frames. I am obviously a strong advocate of 2 hand overhead casting. There are several other mfgrs in it too, Echo2, Beulah, Sage.
Posted: Tue 02/17/09 7:48 pm Post subject: Beulah two handers
Seems to me there was a "mini clave" of several 2 hand surf fishers and the honcho from Buelah in Chatham, Cape Cod, in September or early October of last year. If my memory is correct there was universal approval of the rods but the 'testing' lost out to the 'catching'. I respect the views of those involved so I can say that I give a second hand, thumbs up. Keep your eyes peeled on some of the auction sites and some of the fly fishing sites that have opportunities to buy and sell. Deals can be had if you look for them.
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